Interview 5, Izzi Gershon and Mary Mungai
Last week, I spoke with Izzi Gershon and Mary Mungai, two of my peers, and close friends, in the Congressional Debate community. This was my first interview assessing the current student perspective on gender equity in Congressional Debate!
As the other interviews have elucidated, the widely held image of a “good debater” in Congress is one that excludes women and Black students. Mary and Izzi explained that there is also an image of what “good debate” looks like which reinforces the exclusive “good debater” image. “Good debate” in Congress today is governed by perceptual dominance, meaning the more dominant a debater is perceived to be by the judges, the more highly they will be ranked. Being perceived as dominant and, thus, a “good debater” relies on assertive refutation. However, the correctness or the skill of counterarguments given is not as important to creating perceptual dominance as is the tone, volume, and words used to persuade judges you are the only person in the round who is correct. The problem with the foundations of perceptual dominance, tone, volume, speed, etc, is that they disadvantage women and, so, women are often hurt by engaging in “good debate.” Izzi recalls receiving a number of inappropriate comments from judges who penalized her for matching male debaters’ perceptual dominance. She has been told she was too pitchy, too aggressive, too emotional, and even been called a b***h by judges. Mary explained that while the consequences for women trying to meet the standard for good debate are clearly steep, there is really no alternative. If women are not assertive, they are perceived as timid or less knowledgeable where men would be labeled reserved or thoughtful. The art of being a successful female debater is creating perceptual dominance via navigating the thin line between aggressive and timid.
Another area of Congress that students have the most insight into is the clout culture profuse within it. Izzi reaffirms the existence of a “boys club” in Congressional Debate composed of “circuit” congressional debaters who regularly advance to elimination rounds at national tournaments. De facto “entrance” into the boys club is achieved through clout accumulation, but the bar is much higher for women. While men who advance to quarterfinals once may immediately gain entrance, women must consistently place in the top 12 to be considered. Why is being in the boys club important? Because it is this group of people who (1) create social media chats to orchestrate the order in which bills will be debated, (2) determine who the presiding officers will be for each elimination round, and (3) form alliances with each other in round to help each other and hurt other competitors. The boys club also shares research and arguments with each other. Female debaters who try to engage in this prep exchange are often penalized because they share their prep and do not receive anything in return. In fact, people have actually stolen speeches from women that were given in a round recorded on YouTube word for word without their permission on multiple accounts. If women are not in the boys club, they will almost certainly face a higher preparation burden and face other disadvantages. Izzi explains that the unfortunate reality is that this boys club systematically collaborates to scheme women out of the tournament in out rounds. For this reason, both Mary and Izzi support the implementation of blind chambers, preset precedents and recency, and soft end times which all work to limit the power of the boys club before and during round respectively.
They also bring up how another important factor in attaining clout is income. More money means students can go to more tournaments, place well at more tournaments, get clout, gain boys club advantages due to that clout, and gain more clout. Moreover, experienced judges in elimination rounds reinforce the exclusive clout cycle because they have a confirmation bias towards the debaters with clout who they know have placed well. Often, judges are not at all shy about this bias. Izzi and I have both received comments from experienced judges that they ranked us 1st before the round started. On the social side, women feel like they cannot talk about equity in debate because they are gaslighted by the boys club to believe that sexism doesn’t exist and they’re simply trying to excuse poor placements. But the consequences of suggesting an inequity that benefits men in the event are more severe, because women face the risk of being schemed against at future tournaments.
As students, Mary and Izzi could also speak to how Congress has changed during their time competing. The principal difference they list is a shift from what we say (arguments, links, evidence, impacts) to how we say things (tone, inflection, narrative, confidence, etc). The problem with this shift is that discriminatory perceptual dominance thrives in settings where judges care less about the substance accuracy of speeches and more about how they are delivered. The problem is also that the shift we are experiencing is a net shift not an absolute one, meaning many judges still value argumentation. With a majority judging panels composing some judges who want substance and some judges who want presentation, the true skill of Congressional Debate has become adapting to the judges in a specific round, to know when to give a late round technical, nuanced, refutation speech and when to speak first in the round with passionate rhetoric. Such adaptation being another requirement of “good debate” hurts non-circuit debaters from smaller schools who don’t know which judges like which style or which tournaments historically value which skills as well as women who are more likely to be hurt by the judges whose preferred style they do not naturally adopt. This may be part of why final round placements are more hit or miss for experienced female debaters, whereas the same group of male debaters advances to finals at nearly every tournament.
Mary and Izzi emphasize the importance of students in dismantling the harmful clout culture, but also that of coaches in helping them navigate it. Disrupting the boys club starts with getting more girls into Congress, so coaches must stop viewing Congress as a male event and encourage women to compete in it. Similarly, the rare Congress teams which are majority female must not be viewed as an anomaly in need of correcting. For girls already competing in the event, coaches should listen to and work to support their female students when the boys club and harmful tournament policies put them at a disadvantage. Part of that support is also rejecting the pitting of female debaters against each other, something which seems to transcend extracurricular activities. The length of this post is certainly indicative of how revelatory my interview with Izzi and Mary was. Thank you to you both!